My Gt-40X mistake

sstock

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Guys and Gals I hate to write this post and contemplated exposing my ignorance for a few days but I have to go on line and tell you all that I made a poor choice - purchase off the corral on a set of heads. In hopes that maybe this will wave a red flag to others to follow when you buy expensive engine components from a person you don't know on the net.
The add read: New this year ,GT-40X heads less than 3K miles on them , 12 runs down the 1/4 mile propelled my stang to 12.80's. I called the guy on the phone and he seemed like a nice enough guy, said the heads had a light cleanup in the bowls and ports and are in "excellent" condition. I asked him on why he is taking them off and he replied he wanted to step up to a Ed Curtis prepared set of Canfields to run in the elevens. I'm thinking to my self price is right, what I want and this is a good buy and sent him the money. The heads arrived and I gave them a quick visual and could see a few irregularities in the way the valves seated so I thought I would run them over to John Haskell, he is a pretty well known Ford head porter here up in the NW, does stuff for big time racers like Pat Austin etc.. I wanted to get the exhaust port work done anyway and get the heads flowed ect. planned on putting 3-400 more in port work on the exhaust side anyway because I bought the heads right!
I was floored when John called me and told me the heads were crap. Here was his findings: Needed to replace 2 exhaust and 1 intake valve seats, 1 valve guide. Every valve seat was so far out of tolerance that he said he doubted the car would even run. The head had shown some previous welding repair. When he pressure tested he found 2 pin hole leaks in the same runner in both the heads. He said that was from core shift during the sand casting. I checked the casting #'s and the heads had been bought bare and an assembly parts kit bought. Looks like this guy put it together himself with no machining at all.
The heads are being assembled now and he has flow tested 1 pair of ports at .500 lift: 240 intake and 179 exhaust.
Bottom line could of bought a set of stage1Edelbrocks or AFRs for all the cost and without the hassle.
I'm sure the heads will help me get my 12 second goal but this all has left me with two thought that I thought I would pass on for what it is worth:
Buyer beware on" net" buying on moving parts and at this point I can't recommend GT-40X heads to anyone because of the core shifting problems that occured when they were casted, Ford or vender quality control issues here . If you buy a set of used heads get them checked before you stick them on , I'm glad I did. I picked the Ford motorsport heads because I thought they offered higher quality control than they other aftermarket counterpart brands but it doesn't appear so does it.
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Steve
 
Oh my god!!! I feal bad for you steve! I am glad I went with new heads now. I was looking at a set of used trick flows but Lisa(my girlfriend) bought me a set of brand new ones instead for X mas! Oh. I just wanted to say thanks again for your help with my electric fans too!! They went on Friday afternoon, and work PERFECT!!! :D Good luck with your heads!!
 
Steve
I'm sorry to here that, but I am not surprised. You would be shocked at how bad the machine work is on most brand new aftermarket cylinder heads.
For instance I have a brand new set of Buick/Champion GN1-R heads that I am working with. (you might have seen one down at Johns shop for flow work). Anyway all 6 exhaust guides had to be replaced, clearance ranged from .0015 to over .004 and all 6 intake guides had to be rehoned cause they were to tight and all 12 valve seats had to be remachined because valve to seat concentricity was out as much as .008 (thats a guide bender) and to top it all off they came with the wrong valve springs on them.
THESE ARE BRAND NEW HEADS and to make matters worse they ALL seem to be that way.

Unfortunetly the more educated you get about things like this the more crap you will find. Look at it this way, you could have been totally oblivious to this stuff and just bolted them on an blown it up.
Your doin it right
See ya at the track
Dale :D:D
 
Man that is bad.Ihope this guy didnt know anything was wrong with them.But it sounds like he had to know something was wrong.
Sorry man.
 
Thanks guys for the condolences. You live and learn.
Hey Matt, glad it all worked out on the fans.
Dale, your right, the heads are in the hands of the master, he won't turn them loose unless they will kick butt on the track, lol.
Also on your Buick heads, who is putting these heads together Stevie Wonder or Ray Charles here. Ken and Jeff's AFR heads had problems from the factory and we all know about trick flows. After all this I would be hesitent to buy any head new or otherwise without taking it to a master machinist. Maybe that is why Curtis, Bennett and Foxlake are turning out so many. Most people get caught up on how cheap it is rather than how much quality is there. Anyway, thanks for the replies!
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Steve
 
Steve, You should find someone to go out and slap some sence in that dude. I volenteer myself if hes anywere in northern Illinois, eastern Iowa, western Indiana, or southern Wisconsin.

Steve, I think(more so know, but don't want to say that flat out) the reason why head shops are getting so many orders #1 to them is acuracy and #2 is time/production rate, were head makers set there #1 priority time/production rate, #2 is acuracy. Thats why a machine shop is diffrent than a production shop.

What bad as L lists is all results of pushing cutter feeds and speed faster than they need to be for acurasys sake, especialy on a metal like alluminum that absorbs heat so well. Oh but wait they make tons of heads they get there money that way who cares about how close the tolerances come out. They still go out the door, correct?

I see the sloppy work that bad as L talked about and I can't help but :eek: :confused: :( .

Makes me fearful of getting heads, eventhough I know a bit more about machining than your average Joe. I wonder what my boss would say if I strapped some alluminum heads to one of the CNC mills after I punch out.

Machinists, we're a goofy bunch. We'd rather take some time and have something dead nuts, than rush and have something "close enough"
 
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LightningWX, everything you said is dead on reckoning.
BTW, the dude lives in Illinois.,lol:D !
It will all work out.
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STeve
 
sstock....I live in IL as well, so I would be more than happy to go find this guy and have a few words with him. :D That's a complete load of crap what he did to you. Have you talked to him at all since you recieved the heads and found out they were pretty much junk??

And this isnt the first time I've heard of people getting stiffed off the corral. Its really a shame becasue then it makes people leary of purchasing anything off the net. My buddy just sold his Edelbrock heads off his stang through the corral though, so I guess not all hope is lost.

oh yeah......there's another guy here in the chicagoland area that stiffed my buddy jeff88cpe on a set of slicks for his car. I've already got his phone # and address and fully intend on swinging down there one of these weekends. ;)

Zarr
 
sstock said:
LightningWX, everything you said is dead on reckoning.
BTW, the dude lives in Illinois.,lol:D !
It will all work out.
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STeve

Have you tryed to reason with him about the shoddy heads to get your money back?
 
Tried emailing several times no response. The heads are already worked now no turning back. I feel this guy owes me a couple hundred for the extra machining ect. I'm out of luck on recooperating any $ from this joker. I've been assured that I'll have some killer heads, that is all that counts now. What the hey.
I posted this because I wanted to reaffirm what I should of known in the first place buyer beware.
Thanks for the Fraternal backup LIghtning brothers!
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Steve
 
I still say LightningWX and myself go over to this clown's house and beat his *** just for the fun of it. :D
 
Yeah, at least you know you'll have killer heads now. Looks like mine may be going to a machine shop also. Thanks for the info Steve.

Anyone know a good cylinder head shop out here on the East Coast.
 
What ever you do, pick a shop that does not use SERDI valve seat equipment.

SERDI uses a live pilot in the end of the cutter and it pilots in the valve guide. It Sucks !! You can't get concentric seat work with this machine. Find a shop that uses the SUNNEN machine.
Dale
 
Man Steve, That pissed me off to hear that! You might be able to bring fraud charges up on him. One day he'll get whats comming to him. At the very least you are getting a great set of high flowing heads. Its costing you a pretty penny, but...
Once they are on the truck and you make that first pass, it'll all be good. :D Sorry for the fiasco, though.
 
SirZarr said:
I still say LightningWX and myself go over to this clown's house and beat his *** just for the fun of it. :D

Would be fun, but I think hand delivering a request for $200 from steve would be that much better and quite a bit more apropriate.

sstock said:
I'm out of luck on recooperating any $ from this joker.

Like hell you are. You still have some very reasonable actions you can take. I'm very serious, email me his address and a letter about recovering some of the money you paid in good will for a set of heads that you were led to belive were in working order. List what was wrong with the heads and state how they need work to be useable. I will print it out and bring it to him. He may feel a bit more compelled to remburse you if he knows theres people in the area who know whats up with him. It would be pretty hard to show your face if everyone in the area knows that you have stiffed someone for some money. I wouldn't take it to anything that would get me or us in trouble, but it would deffinitly not hurt to try. The worst that could happen is that we have to leave his doorstep empty handed. Money is money and a couple hundred dollars is worth getting back.

In my experience as a tool and die maker, visiting an untold number of shops I have never seen a serdi made machine of any kind. Yet I have seen many sunnen machines and theres one sitting in the shop I work at right now. That really says something to back up what bad as L stated.

HotRod said:
Man Steve, That pissed me off to hear that! You might be able to bring fraud charges up on him. One day he'll get whats comming to him.

Yep, and I wouldn't mind haveing something to do with it.

Steve, I'd do this not just for you but to help everyone who ever buys anything over the internet. If everyone who duped someone on the corral auction blocks got caught up with some local corralers do you think that there would continue to be a problem? Well possibly a small one, but it would be a hell of alot safer.
/trips as he gets off his box
 
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I hear ya on all this! Still have a few things up my sleeve though, but for now unless I can get a hold of him email it is fruitless, I happen to know his handle on the corral. I could make him out to be the great train robber if need be, lol!
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STeve
 
Not trying to stick up for the kid or anything...But whats to say he didn't know.... It's possible the car could've ran. I have a set of GT40x's and granted the casting was terrible but who's to say it didn't come from the factory like that. Maybe he bought them from a reseller that had used them?? It's hard to say what resellers do with parts. They may test them on their own cars tweek them a little and then sell them to the consumer as new:( But I am not saying that this guy shouldn't have returned your emails. But I feel your pain. I bought a 91 Mustang Bumper cover for $125 and that is exactly what I got except it was a model peice....So atleast you got something you can use.
 
A MODEL PIECE?!?!? BOy, I'd be so pissed!!!

That's like those yahoos selling "XBOX Boxes" for $300. It's just the box that the X-Box console came in.

:mad: :eek: :mad:
 
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