Idle tuning courtesy of Jamie V

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So after much discussion with people @Jamie V who are way smarter than me with tuning and quite simply have more time/experience in this actual scenario I've come closer to fixing my issues. I hope I get all the steps correct down below so others can benefit. Stalling issue going into gear was more of a timing control issue and took some steps to fine tune, but I have it about 90% working now. The harsh shifting into 4th issue was simply having the converter locked up during shifts. I've changed it to only lock in 4th gear now, and also delayed the lockup 3 seconds. Still playing with line pressures just a bit, but it's comfortable during normal driving situations now.

So these are the steps it took for me to get the going into gear issue solved, which somewhat follow with Stinger's suggestions getting IAC position to be around 15-20%... just take it extra steps to "catch" the idle speed better/quicker using timing control and idle VE as they function much quicker than the IAC does. These steps will take a lot time and lots of gear changes! You could also use these steps for anything that puts load on the engine at idle... A/C, power steering, clutch release, etc.

1. Warmup engine to operating temps. Helps if transmission fluid is hot as well. You want everything at operating temperatures.

2. Unplug the IAC.

3. Disable ALL spark advance tables. (MAT-Based Timing Retard, Idle Advance Settings, Idle Timing Correction Curve) You want to know the timing you're commanding in the next step is accurate. Make sure to take notes of these tables so you can fill them back in later.

4. Adjust the throttle blade screw to target idle speed. In my case this was 750rpm. This step could take some time to get as close ads possible. MAKE SURE TO CALIBRATE TPS AFTER THIS STEP!!!

5. Go to the Ignition Table and adjust the fields where the "floating bubble" is hovering over. (Example: Fields are 17.1-17.6, change them all to 17.)

6. Raise the timing value in those fields by 1 degree increments and watch RPM and MAP. You're looking for the RPM and MAP to raise at a certain timing value, for example 22 degrees. This is basically where your engine makes the most power at idle. Once that timing value is determined, in this case 5 degrees you can set the timing fields back to their original values.

7. This 5 degree timing value will be used to help setup your Idle Correction Curve. When the RPM drops 50, 75, 100rpms the timing needs to be raised and conversely retarded when it rises in rpm. I'm still playing with these values slightly, but you can see the general idea in the screen shot.
Idle Correction Curve.JPG

8. I then used Idle VE Settings to essentially do the same thing as timing using fuel. The idea here is to get the "floating bubble" to center itself as best you can in the table while running at your target AFR. Targeting a slightly richer AFR here may help as the engine will make more power with more fuel. I'm trying to target 14.5 currently at idle.
Idle VE.JPG

9. Plug in the IAC and adjust your Closed-Loop Idle settings and Initial Values table to further control idle speed. Basically the IAC is the last thing to control idle as it typically reacts slower. This might not be as true with PWM IAC motors, but the older Ford IAC is slow.

Hope this helps someone as it greatly helped me. These steps were given to me by a member of the Lightning community that spent 40+ hours just sitting in his driveway figuring out. It made my process vastly quicker overall! I also took a LOT of notes throughout the process and saved tunes with basically every change so I could go back if needed.
 
This is definitely the way to do it. Idle and transitory stuff is the hardest things to pin down. It really can take many hours to get things dialed in. Accel enrichment is another one that can be tough as well. Another good thing to do is find the commanded air fuel that the truck likes best. Often times it's much richer than one would think, especially with batch fire or big cams. Not uncommon for many engines to idle better/smoother at say 13.5 a/f compared to stoich. I have yet to have an engine actually "like" anything above 14.3 or so at such low rpms. Now cruising and stuff it's not a big deal because the engine is making power via rpm. Sometimes its even best to shut off closed loop fueling at idle depending on the combination and O2 sensor placement. I'm glad you got most of it worked out. Tuning stuff to act stock is very hard to do.

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Sounds like you’re starting to get it figured out.

When I did mine I lowered my base timing 8° from peak timing (instead of your 5°). Having more timing to throw at it helped me.

I also had my curve adj up to 100 rpm each way (compared to your 200 rpm). I wanted the extra cell for more fine tuning. Once you go past your peak value it just carries out the same timing adv/ret. In my opinion it shouldn’t be dropping or raising more then 100 rpm.

Here is a picture of my graph.
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Sounds like you’re starting to get it figured out.

When I did mine I lowered my base timing 8° from peak timing (instead of your 5°). Having more timing to throw at it helped me.

I also had my curve adj up to 100 rpm each way (compared to your 200 rpm). I wanted the extra cell for more fine tuning. Once you go past your peak value it just carries out the same timing adv/ret. In my opinion it shouldn’t be dropping or raising more then 100 rpm.

Here is a picture of my graph.
b8334856b60e70505845c30df454cffc.jpg

Yeah I think I’m going to change to the more fine tuning method and see if it will help with my last bit of stalling issues. Overall it’s better, but I want it perfect because the stalling thing is just super annoying!


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Yes... yesterday for instance it stalled all throughout the day randomly. Sometimes it would stall in reverse or wouldn't. Reverse seems to be less often than drive does, but even drive will occasionally make it through the gear change as well. I've been targeting 750rpm, but may need to go back to 800.

Also, I've been playing with lockup strategies on the transmission... right now I'm locking up in 3rd gear, then unlock/locking on the 4th gear shift which feels weird. I want to call A1 today and make sure they are okay with that. Main reason for it is locking in 3rd to keep the converter from slipping while towing around the 35-40mph range. It towed well yesterday and the only time I really noticed the higher stall was pulling up the boat ramp I needed a little more rpm than before, but no issues. Temps stayed happy as well with mixed stoplight and highway driving.
 
Try leaving it locked and pulling 7 degrees of timing for the shift. That's what I do on mine and I like a LOT better than having the converter be so fiddly on the shifts.
 
Try leaving it locked and pulling 7 degrees of timing for the shift. That's what I do on mine and I like a LOT better than having the converter be so fiddly on the shifts.
Do mean using the Shift Settings screen? That's the only place I see to choose a timing retard during shifts... I guess I would just change the lower load settings and TPS Threshold lower to catch those "normal driving" situations.

I need to look at your Race Lockup Settings one day to see how it's setup. Now that I have a transmission/converter that can handle locked shifts I'd like to eventually play with it.

Shift Settings.JPG
 
Made a bit more progress today sitting in the garage... went back to 800rpm idle speed because 750rpm just didn't seem to be working for me, plus I noticed other annoying issues with power steering and alternator output since I'm still running underdrive pullies. Added 1 degree more timing to the Idle Correction Curve values when below idle target, tweaked the Idle VE table to add a bit more fuel, and turned on the Ignition Advance table which had been turned off. I played with the load values there to better hit my idle kpa values. Seemed to help some.

Time will tell if these changes make a difference in the long run. Getting closer though!
 
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