Case backhoe help

Thundrn_Lightning

Thundrn_Lightning

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Ok, it's a longshot, but I am looking for info on Case backhoes. In particular, an old 580-B model from 1973. Think I need to put a pump and set of injectors in there. Just wondering if anyone here knows of a good place to get parts for something this old.....or knows of a good diesel mechanic in the Williamsburg/Richmond/Newport News, Virginia area.

Thanks,
 
If you can

Get me any and all info that you have on the Case and I'll see If my shop mechanic can find any of those parts for you.
If you have the part numbers that would help a great deal.
You can e-mail me at bcleymeister@aol.com
Later...
 
Hey Kevin,
AIS construction equipment in Lansing michigan is tearing down a buncgh of 580's
1800 972 5335 www.aisusedparts.com
Construction equipment Parts co.
Goldston Nc.
1800 727 8787
www.ceparts.com
Also try Key Parts on Birmingham
www.keypartsco.com 1800 323 5397
I am curious how you know it is the pump. What are it's symptons? YOu shouldn't need a diesel mechanic to change the pump. Nothing to it. Just remember that you need to be careful with the lines. If you don't mind some ups, I'd send it to OKC. I can't think of the name of the place off the top of my head, but the guy there is about 50 and all he has ever done since he was 18 was rebuild pumps. he redid the one on my irrigation engine in 2 hours, and since I've run it about 8k hours with not even a foul blurb from the exhaust. What type of pump is it, inline, or rotary. I think it might be a rotary on that 4 cylinder. I'll look up his number.
Those are some damn good backhoes. they are tuff as a boot.
 
Hey, thanks guys! What's the odds that I come to a Lightning board and get backhoe info? :)

I have no part numbers. :( I don't even have a parts or service manual for the silly thing. I have an operator's manual around.....somewhere. I know the parts and service manuals are over $100 each. Anyway, here's the scoop:

Took the day off and moved some dirt around. Now, the machine is not overly blessed with power, but today it seemed to be losing power as the thing warmed up. Throttle response was getting slower, meaning, you could stab the throttle and there was considerable lag until the engine picked up. And when it picked up it wouldn't go to high idle. There was much more black smoke coming from the exhaust as I went. Naturally, I check the air filter. A-ok. Keep running. Ran for a while longer and it simply shut off cold turkey. No sputter, shake, rattle or anything, it was as if I simply turned the key off. Try cranking it up and it just cranks and cranks and cranks, not even trying to start. Nothing is coming form the exhaust. Thus, I'm thinking that there is a fuel issue. Since I know that it already needs a pump and injector job, I figure that now is as good a time as any. Here's another tidbit - I was running low on fuel at the time. I know I didn't run out, but it was low. So once it shut off, I twisted the air bleeder on the fuel filter. No fuel came out! Hmmmm. Fill 'er up with fuel, and then I have fuel coming out the bleeder. So was there air in there, or what? Or did I suck up some junk from the bottom of the tank since it was so low? Note: The machine has been sitting more than usual for the last 2 months or so.

So tomorrow here's what I plan before doing anything else:
1) Pop on new fuel filters.
2) Pull the line off the pump and check out the little screen for gunk. (I don't know where this is yet, but a friend just told me to look at that.)
3) Also, I'll at least the the serial numbers off the machine so we all know what the heck this thing is. Admittedly, my knowledge of backhoes is about zilch, so please bear with me...

Sending the pump to OKC does not sound far-fetched to me. If you could get that info, I'd appreciate it. Also, what do I need to be careful of with respect to the lines?

Thanks!
 
heres the answer to your quandry...

equipment_getimage.cgi


:D :D :D
 
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I rebuilt an old 580 CK a few years ago. Now this is a testament to toughness...

This tractor had sat up for years in a flood zone and was repeatedly under water. The hydraulics reservoir, transmission gearbox, and crankcase were all full of water.

I pulled the starter, the fuel pump and injectors, and a couple of other odds and ends and sent them out to be rebuilt. I drained all the fluids and filled the sumps with the correct lubricant, plus a bunch of Marvel in the crankcase and poured into the cylinder bores through the injector holes.

I broke the engine free using a crowbar on the flywheel and would lay under the tractor spinning the motor by hand a few times a week until the starter came back. I installed the rebuilt starter and a battery and spun the engine with the starter, all the time pumping Marvel in through the injector bosses.

I primed the fuel pump, installed the injectors, and the thing fired up and ran perfectly the first time I turned the key. It blew hydaulic hoses left and right for a while - until I got them all replaced - but otherwise the thing worked like a charm.

Funny thing - one of my friends was helping me the day I lit it off. He was standing on the suspension on the exhaust side and the tractor had no muffler at this point. It blew quite a geyser of oil out of the stack when it fired up, completing coating my friend's head and torso. :D

Amazingly tough machine.
 
haha...My dad's a regular on ytmag.com He's big into old Farmalls... Best thing to do would be find the serial number plate on engine..Probably on the right hand side of the block.. Once you find that you'll probably find out that it's just a Case farm tractor engine...
 
Well, this might be of no help whatsoever, but my Lightning Owners Manual talks nothing about backhoes. Now if you're looking for a regular hoe...that shouldn't be too hard to find at you local cruise strip. LOL:D

George
 
FMOS Racing said:
I rebuilt an old 580 CK a few years ago. Now this is a testament to toughness...

This tractor had sat up for years in a flood zone and was repeatedly under water. The hydraulics reservoir, transmission gearbox, and crankcase were all full of water.

I pulled the starter, the fuel pump and injectors, and a couple of other odds and ends and sent them out to be rebuilt. I drained all the fluids and filled the sumps with the correct lubricant, plus a bunch of Marvel in the crankcase and poured into the cylinder bores through the injector holes.

I broke the engine free using a crowbar on the flywheel and would lay under the tractor spinning the motor by hand a few times a week until the starter came back. I installed the rebuilt starter and a battery and spun the engine with the starter, all the time pumping Marvel in through the injector bosses.

I primed the fuel pump, installed the injectors, and the thing fired up and ran perfectly the first time I turned the key. It blew hydaulic hoses left and right for a while - until I got them all replaced - but otherwise the thing worked like a charm.

Funny thing - one of my friends was helping me the day I lit it off. He was standing on the suspension on the exhaust side and the tractor had no muffler at this point. It blew quite a geyser of oil out of the stack when it fired up, completing coating my friend's head and torso. :D

Amazingly tough machine.
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Wow. :eek: Heck of an experience. And that's all I have to say about that.

Ok, wanna come to the right coast and rebuild this darn thing? :)

Later,
 
Muddmann said:
heres the answer to your quandry...

equipment_getimage.cgi


:D :D :D
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Uggggggggggghhhhhh. Caaaaaaaaaaa......aaaaaaaaaaa.......aaaaaaaaaa. Can't say it. But I can say Caaaaaaase. It's hard to say it, though.

I'd take anything at the following location:
http://www.deere.com/deerecom/contractors/new+equipment/_current+equipment/_backhoes/backhoe.htm :p

Yes, I am a Deere guy. They are my source of income. ;) I only bought the Caaaaaaase because it was cheap. For the record, I reeeeeeallllllly wanted an old 310 or 410D. And if anyone is interested, the 580B will be for sale by summertime.

Later,
 
Ok, back to bidness. Today's update. Installed new fuel filters and checked the screen at the injector pump. Screen was perfect. She fired right up, with very little black smoke. Hmmmm. So, back to work. Ran for about 25 minutes under what I call "moderate" loading, and it starts to lose power, again, just like yesterday. Progressively more black smoke, poor throttle response, etc. It got to the point where it'd barely move, so I got it over out of the way and parked it. I know it would have shut off again if I would have kept going.

So it seems that the problem is definately heat related. Could this be something with the pump itself? Besides flow testing, how does one know if the pump is dying? Or injectors for that matter?

Well, it was dark then and I ran off and forgot to get the serial number and model/number from the pump. :rolleyes: Duh. So I'll get that tomorrow and see...

Thanks again for the responses!
 
93blksvtlightning said:
Better go to diesel mechanic school, Kevin! :rolleyes:

Don't you think a little 2414 PK loader/backhoe combo would be a much better deal? ;)
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I don't like diesels. Where are the spark plugs??? This thing could reach back and pick up that little 2414 PK if it wanted to.

Talked to a good pump guy today and also got a lot of good feedback from the folks on Yesterday's Tractors. Looks like those pumps have a plastic/rubber ring around a governor setup (internal), that deteriorates over time. Little chunks of that crap go and plug some sort of pressure regulator. Only real way to fix it is to pull the pump apart and replace the ring. So I will have the pump gone though and tune this puppy up. Probably install new injectors and lash the valves while it's down. One thing is for certain - these things are expensive to work on. I'll take my 351 any day over this... :)

Anyone wanna buy this machine in, say, May-June of this year?
 
Muddmann said:
*psst*

this thread is frickin OLD!!!
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Wow! :eek: This was old.....and I forgot I even posted it!

The ending of the story goes like this:

1) Found local diesel shop.
2) Had pump rebuilt, got new injectors.
3) Installed new pump/injectors.
4) Ran well until engine lost a rod bearing.
5) Pulled engine, rebuilt the whole darn thing.
6) Total bill: $4k. Also freshened up the radiator, alternator, belt, and hoses.

And the machine lived happily ever after. :)

It'll be for sale this summer hoepfully.

Thanks!
 
FMOS Racing said:
LOL! Kevin and I were talking about our personal "hoe" experiences a couple of weeks ago.
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That is, backhoe experiences!!! :)
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All this backhoe talk makes me want to head out back and dig up stuff. ;p
 
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