Bling blingin' with the brakes!

[L8-APEX]

After a not so fun install... The man brakes are on the L. I had a coorupt file error on my digicam disk so I lost my final pics but had these from the first pics. Pedal is rock solid and they remove speed like NOS puts it on:tu: Before any Pootietangers ride they may want to frshen up the Fixodent

 

[Logan@Trilogy]

Those brakes are phat yo.

But then, for those kinda bling bling bucks, they had better be.

Yo.

 

[Silver_2000]

It looks like you went from 2 piston stokers to $$$$ 2 piston brembos. Other than the rotor what are the advantages. The Caiper is clearly smaller whether that affects suitability for truck use is unknown ....

Doug

 

[L8-APEX]

Doug: Lets do a side by side stop and we'll see How about three in a row from 100 The caliper is 4 piston aluminum for weight and heat dissapationand it is larger and more rigid than than stock and does not flex under pressure. Brembo 4 piston calipers (2 inboard/2outboard) clamp harder then 6,8 piston Baer and Alcon calipers according to their engineers. The rotor is 2" larger dia. vented, and designed to be a centrifugal air pump at speed. Plus the chicks love them :tu:

 

[5.4 Muscle]

HI DOLLA

L8...how much for this extravaganza? Question #2...did you Rob a Bank very very nice....

 

[Silver_2000]

Come on L8

At least take a picture of the complete caliper when doing a comparison....

Geesh Sounds like late nite TV ad... for 129 easy payments of $100 you to can get a larger better caliper... See the side by side pictures....

Doug

 

[L8-APEX]

If you go to Ford and buy a cliper that is what you get. The rest is just mounting brackets that hold the pads etc.
5.4: No bank robbing here just taking advantage of dealer pricing Gran Turismo is $3295 or something. Because you gotta have the woe to match the go. Just like on TV the one who can dive deeper and brake harder passes in the turns. My Porterfield pads w/ 3500 miles are half gone anyone want them? They do smell good and resist fade somewhat. The Motul RBF600 is awesome fluid! What is 216 Celcius? That is the wet boiling point. Compared to 311 F of Castrol LMA. Rough math says about 421 F

 

[HIHOAG]

L8, can you post a picture of the brake pads, side by side?

 

[L8-APEX]

Not until I do my first pad change. Stock pads are thinner maybe a touch longer but a totally different friction material. Can't really compare the two or the massive pressure that the Brembo caliper exerts on the pads.

 

[HIHOAG]

L8,

Force is constant from the master cylinder, since you haven't changed it.

You can calculate the relative force by measuring the difference in the cross-sectional area of the pistons.

If you distribute the constant force of the master cylinder across a larger piston you can lower the clamping force of the caliper, for the same pedal effort.

The same holds true for going to larger pads, the same force across a larger area=less PSI.

Many people updated the brakes on 911s to larger AL calipers and the pedal force and stroke became unacceptable, in addition the Al caliper flexes more that the stock steel one.

The steel caliper also has a larger heat capacity than the Al caliper, so the result was that the Al caliper faded quicker, but would recover quicker as well. Not much good when you have already slid off the track. Result, many have gone to the stock steel caliper.


They do look cool however.

 

[L8-APEX]

You are impossible... What are you saying that these 14" F50 Brembos are not as good as stock? hah. Just come drive it and you will understand. This thing will stop on a dime and give you change back. Again, and again, and again. I know the Lightning brake system very well. I have been through two sets of pads and rotors in 12K miles, two sets of rotors, had the brakes on fire many times, to fade daily, half a gallon in fluid changes. Stock doesn't hold a candle to a race derrived system. Not even close. What happened to everyone at On Track talking about brake fade and loss of performance? I know Logan and I trashed our brakes. Can't believe people are questioning a 14" 4 piston Brembo high performance brake kit vs. stock ecomomy brakes, LOL.

 

[Sixpipes]

216 degree C = 9/5 X 216 + 32 = 411.8 degrees F

 

[L8-APEX]

Good Pootietanger keep taking your Ginko Biloba it must be working I likes me a Go-Rila :tu:

Attention Sixer recent calculations conclude 216C is 421F. This is also what Motul claims on their ads. You can also use the conversion calculator on weather .com I like correcting the old folks

 

[Silver_2000]

L8

When the price goes up real high the ROI must be equally high..

In other words you are trying to sell a $3000+ ? mod on pictures. Intelligent customers ask pointed direct techinical questions... No one said you were full of it ( yet ) - We just wanted detail.... Justification is good too...

My brakes didnt fade at ontrack..... Hmm I remember being pretty quick tooo... Hmm quickest of the day in the timed events if im not mistaken....

Since I dont work near a road course I dont get the opportunities to abuse my brakes like you....

PS you still havent said a price....

Doug

 

[5.4 Muscle]

Doug.....payment plan? Good idea!

SixPipes.....I too am compressed.....


you guys appeared to be gathered en masse or something ova at Boston's last weekend....passing through on a Protein Powder run from the house....late night Fiber Optic Farming.

Juniper M120/160 are Bandwidth Pigs


:Y Its needless posts like this that consume massive quantities of utter data flow....keep truckin'


UBB'S ROCK!

 

[Logan@Trilogy]

It's painfully obvious to anyone that's been behind a set of brembo's how well they work compared to stockers, and I'm sure in the L's case, that's no different.

L8, you should test 'em and shut everyone up. Get a stock lightning and run a 100-0 braking test vs your brembos. I wouldn't be surprised to see a 20-30ft improvement in stopping distance.

My opinion, Brembo's are the shiznit and I'd love a set. Bottom line though, the price offends me and will never happen.

That's really the thing that you'll have a hard time getting folks agree with. Most Lightning owners that don't professionally race em won't ever have a need to justify the $3200 expense of em...

 

[Silver_2000]

Logan Didnt I say that a few posts back???

LOL

Doug

 

[L8-APEX]

Just got done bedding in the pads. I never thought it would be so hard to bring the pads to fade. About the fourth 130-20 stop got close but they were still gripping good. The rears faded since they are still semi stock units. I am pushing Brembo and Ford to get a rear kit out. Should have had the dash lights on full bright so you could see them better. Boost on the stock gauge is way over by the tach and the Pro Comp is at 12 psi. Check out my new pillar gauge I added it tonight. As for brakes a huge improvement over stock from the testing I have done so far. Stock setup would give me one good 130-20 stop before going away completely.
Doug I can't publish your price The best price on the web through an authorized dealer is 3295 for the front system.

 

[L8-APEX]

HIHOAG what about this:

'Pascal's Principal' states:

"An external pressure applied to a fluid in an enclosed container is
transmitted undiminished to all parts of the fluid and the walls of the
container."

The key word is undiminished. The container here is the lines, cylinder
bores, pistons, and the bores and plungers in the master cylinder. At a
certain pedal effort, the net force applied to the rotor through the pads is
'equal' to the net force applied to the fluid by the master cylinder. As
this force is applied across 4 larger pistons, more clamping work is
accomplished on the rotor than before. To supply the additional fluid needed
to push on the greater piston area, the pedal will travel slightly farther
to achieve the same effort.

This system is balanced by it's design. The additional torque applied by the
increased leverage of the larger rotor to the hub/wheel will require less
net clamping force to accomplish the same work. That equates to less pedal
travel for the same clamping force. This feature acts to counteract the
additional pedal travel as stated above.

Thank you, I will be here all week, be sure to tip your waitress...


:tu:

 

[Silver_2000]

Did he say 'Pascal's Principal' ???

So to extend that well known principle to the extreme then your mastercylinder should be adequate to stop a 747 right ??

Doug